Hey, starphire's last name is synonymous with trash-picking, no fear. And have you ever seen "The Gleaners and I"? Self-absorbed but some really interesting stuff in there. And of course, there's stuff like freecycle. And yes, it's important to extend the use of stuff. But we're still limited by the fact that when we people are done with it, it's tossed, not turned into something else useful.

And dude, I can't understand normal people either, why do you think I started having a real conversation with you in the Iron Horse line, all those years ago? But I don't think that inability-to-get-the-normals absolves me from caring about what happens to, y'know, the ecology of everything. It makes me insanely frustrated that most people don't seem to care about how badly we're collectively fucking up, but that's about caring more, not less.